ot Printer found with time set for Atlantic Ocaan

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:50:16 -0800 (PST), Marilyn

Not a question.
I found on the grass between the sidewalk and the curb, in front of a
house, a printer-copier-scanner-fax.
It looks pretty nice except there is a powder bigger than flour and
smaller than salt, and light brown, in the input tray. I'll clean it
off so it doesn't get in the mechanism. Maybe it did already and that's
why he's throwing it away.
But the reason I'm posting is I connected some house current and the
date/time in it was 3 hours later than here. I'm in the Eastern Time
Zone and I think anything 3 hours east of here is in the middle of the
Atlantic!
Well, except for Greenland and Brazil,
and probably French Guiana and a little Suriname
It just misses St. Johns in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Maybe he came from Greenland.

Laser or ink-jet?

Ink jet. It's very nice, HP OfficeJet 4360.

this is why I asked in another thread about electrostatic rags. It has
in the paper tray a lot of powder and I wanted the rags to get it out of
the corners and crevices. But I got impatient, and Cindy says it's a
gimmick anyhow, and in my own rag box I found a flannel sleeve from a
robe I never owned. It's red with greyish frogs on it. Where did I get
that.

I cleaned some but had to remove the paper tray. It took more than an
hour and I didn't get absolutely everything. I used jumper wires to
connect the power, and by golly it works. One of the reviews complained
he had to get within 3 feet of the wifi to connect, but mine did fine
from more than 30 feet.

Also, I haven't tried but it also lets you print directly from your cell
phone, and probably to scan into your phone. Plus get this, you can
register at HP for an email address for the printer, send an attachment
from anywhere and it will print that. I suspect/hope the PC doesn't
even have to be on if the printer is wifi connected to a router,
although I'll never have any use for this. If you're a traveling
salesman, or someone who travels for business and wants a paper record,
it would be great. Any other uses?


The big problem seems to be the cost of the ink. They are about $37 for
a black and a tri-color. Unlike the Espson and the Brother I have,
which I was surprised to see work fine with cruddy 3rd-party ink, HP is
really insistent on their ink. One of the printer utilities with 6 tabs
includes warnings about ink in 4 of them, encouraging notifying t heir
fraud department if you end up with counterfeit cartridges.

Another tab has a way to keep your cartridges from being used in another
printer. Were people stealing cartridges? But at least you can print
with only one of them if you take out the empty one.

You can buy an ink and syringe set that costs only 18 dollars and they
say is good for 5 or 10 fillings, probably 5 because there was something
about air being left in the cartridge, but that's still 1/10th the
price. However if you let the cartridge get empty, it knows about that
and cancels itself. You have to refill before it gets empty, and even
then I think it threatens you that the level indicators may not work
after that.


But the other problem is that I'm connected to the PC control panel, the
ink level indicator, probably printing, but not for scanning. It won't
scan (and this one has no SD slot in it so it can only scan to the PC,
not to memory). When you even start to scan it says I'm not connected,
and eventually it hints that I should register with HP! I wonder if
this is so they can send you threatening emails if you use bad ink
cartridges. But even registering didn't work yet. I'll see if it
works after restarting the PC and the printer. One of the instructions
for something (not this) was to unplug the printer for a while. (For
this they wanted you to uninstall everything, at 3 places, and reinstall
it all. Maybe later. (and of course I already have a good Brother
all-in-one. )

Another annoyance is their stupid webpages that have one or even two
pop-up boxes that interfere with reading the page, and they show up
every time for every page, even I think if you looked at the tab before
and it reloaded when you came back. I wrote to them last year when I
got an HP computer about how annoying this is but they haven't changed
it. I wrote a firmer message this time.

Also installing the software looked simple, one big .exe to do
everything, but then they came up with something else and I think a
second thing. One was software from MS. It was confusing.

(I had to install on the laptop software for the Brother printer, and
that really was simple.)

This printer may predates win10, but i'm sure that's not the problem.

[Paul]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:50:16 -0800 (PST), Marilyn

Not a question.
I found on the grass between the sidewalk and the curb, in front of a
house, a printer-copier-scanner-fax.
It looks pretty nice except there is a powder bigger than flour and
smaller than salt, and light brown, in the input tray. I'll clean it
off so it doesn't get in the mechanism. Maybe it did already and that's
why he's throwing it away.
But the reason I'm posting is I connected some house current and the
date/time in it was 3 hours later than here. I'm in the Eastern Time
Zone and I think anything 3 hours east of here is in the middle of the
Atlantic!
Well, except for Greenland and Brazil,
and probably French Guiana and a little Suriname
It just misses St. Johns in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Maybe he came from Greenland.

Laser or ink-jet?

Ink jet. It's very nice, HP OfficeJet 4360.
this is why I asked in another thread about electrostatic rags. It has
in the paper tray a lot of powder and I wanted the rags to get it out of
the corners and crevices. But I got impatient, and Cindy says it's a
gimmick anyhow, and in my own rag box I found a flannel sleeve from a
robe I never owned. It's red with greyish frogs on it. Where did I get
that.
I cleaned some but had to remove the paper tray. It took more than an
hour and I didn't get absolutely everything. I used jumper wires to
connect the power, and by golly it works. One of the reviews complained
he had to get within 3 feet of the wifi to connect, but mine did fine
from more than 30 feet.
Also, I haven't tried but it also lets you print directly from your cell
phone, and probably to scan into your phone. Plus get this, you can
register at HP for an email address for the printer, send an attachment
from anywhere and it will print that. I suspect/hope the PC doesn't
even have to be on if the printer is wifi connected to a router,
although I'll never have any use for this. If you're a traveling
salesman, or someone who travels for business and wants a paper record,
it would be great. Any other uses?
The big problem seems to be the cost of the ink. They are about $37 for
a black and a tri-color. Unlike the Espson and the Brother I have,
which I was surprised to see work fine with cruddy 3rd-party ink, HP is
really insistent on their ink. One of the printer utilities with 6 tabs
includes warnings about ink in 4 of them, encouraging notifying t heir
fraud department if you end up with counterfeit cartridges.
Another tab has a way to keep your cartridges from being used in another
printer. Were people stealing cartridges? But at least you can print
with only one of them if you take out the empty one.
You can buy an ink and syringe set that costs only 18 dollars and they
say is good for 5 or 10 fillings, probably 5 because there was something
about air being left in the cartridge, but that's still 1/10th the
price. However if you let the cartridge get empty, it knows about that
and cancels itself. You have to refill before it gets empty, and even
then I think it threatens you that the level indicators may not work
after that.
But the other problem is that I'm connected to the PC control panel, the
ink level indicator, probably printing, but not for scanning. It won't
scan (and this one has no SD slot in it so it can only scan to the PC,
not to memory). When you even start to scan it says I'm not connected,
and eventually it hints that I should register with HP! I wonder if
this is so they can send you threatening emails if you use bad ink
cartridges. But even registering didn't work yet. I'll see if it
works after restarting the PC and the printer. One of the instructions
for something (not this) was to unplug the printer for a while. (For
this they wanted you to uninstall everything, at 3 places, and reinstall
it all. Maybe later. (and of course I already have a good Brother
all-in-one. )
Another annoyance is their stupid webpages that have one or even two
pop-up boxes that interfere with reading the page, and they show up
every time for every page, even I think if you looked at the tab before
and it reloaded when you came back. I wrote to them last year when I
got an HP computer about how annoying this is but they haven't changed
it. I wrote a firmer message this time.
Also installing the software looked simple, one big .exe to do
everything, but then they came up with something else and I think a
second thing. One was software from MS. It was confusing.
(I had to install on the laptop software for the Brother printer, and
that really was simple.)
This printer may predates win10, but i'm sure that's not the problem.

For vacuuming laser printer toner, they use a vacuum for the purpose
that has a hepafilter for the collection bag. If you use a conventional
vacuum cleaner, the bag can leak enough particulate, for you to end up
with toner dust in your lungs.

For unknown powders, you do run some (tiny) risk. There are some
really obnoxious powders someone could dump all over the place. For
example, when policemen go into a drug house, sometimes they're overcome
by carfentanyl residue and have to be carted out and given more than
one application of naloxone. Carfentanyl is the material known to be able
to "sedate an elephant", it doesn't take much to leave you on the floor,
sedated and soon to be dead. They need to wear gloves at a minimum,
when in there. If they know the house will be "bad enough", people
go in with self-contained breathing gear.

The printer might have been pulled out for a "failure to pay rent",
rather than being removed because it wasn't wanted any more. We've all
seen apartments with sofas and chairs on the lawn, from evicted tenants.
The tenants never seem to pick up the furniture, which suggests it could
be rental furniture and actually owned by a store.

While the powder might be recognizable (toast crumbs or cracker crumbs),
there is a world of possibility. Nobody thinks of the waste removal people
and they could leave just about any "chemical challenge" on the side of the
road.

Not everyone is your friend in society.

Paul

[micky]

In comp.periphs.printers, on Mon, 3 Jan 2022 01:42:34 -0500, Paul

Post by Paul
The printer might have been pulled out for a "failure to pay rent",
rather than being removed because it wasn't wanted any more. We've all
seen apartments with sofas and chairs on the lawn, from evicted tenants.

Thanks for your concern. This was the only thing out there, and it's
the second all-in-one printer I've found. The first one**, the Brother,
was like new, still with the plastic labels stuck to it, so of course I
had positive expectations of this one.

**The first one was so good I began to have doubts that he was really
throwing it away, even though it too, a mile or so from the second one,
was sitting on the grass between the curb and the sidewalk. I went back
to the house, rang the doorbell, and the guy who answered wasn't
unfriendly, but showed no interest in talking about it. I can only
guess it belonged to an ex-girlfriend or roommate that he disliked who
had left it behind, and he had a printerr

BTW, in NY, they don't put furniture on the street. If a landlord evicts
someone, he has to do it in the presence of the sheriff, has to hire a
moving company to take everything to storage, and I think he has to pay
for the first month's storage. To get the stuff back, the tenant, I
assumed, but I see below** that I'm wrong, has to pay the first month
and the moving fee (both of which are returned to the landlord i think)
and if he doesn't, I guess the storage comapny disposes of it as any
other non-paying tenant, hiring someone to clean it out, who sells. I
don't know what happens if all the tenant to search his stuff taking
some of it and leaving the rest. if he has no place to put everything.

**It's even more pro-tenant than I guessed, not that I'n opposed to
that. "The landlord is supposed to store your property somewhere safe.
Your property should not just be thrown out, or put on the curb. Also,
your landlord cannot refuse to give back your property until you pay
rent. If your landlord does any of these things or even threatens to,
call a lawyer right away. Although the law is not clear about how long
the landlord must store your property, landlords often will try to throw
away or sell the property after thirty days. If you have not contacted
the landlord to get your property back, you may not be able to
successfully sue the landlord for the value of your property.

If your property is put in storage, try to move it into your new home as
soon as you can. After thirty days it can be difficult to recover
property which has been placed in storage."

Of course I'm not in NY so none of this applies.

Post by Paul
The tenants never seem to pick up the furniture, which suggests it could
be rental furniture and actually owned by a store.
While the powder might be recognizable (toast crumbs or cracker crumbs),
there is a world of possibility. Nobody thinks of the waste removal people
and they could leave just about any "chemical challenge" on the side of the
road.
Not everyone is your friend in society.

True. The flannel was thick enough it seemed to absorb some of it, and
I shook it out outside half-way through. Careful not to breathe any.
OTOH I tasted it! Had no taste. Unless Corona has taken away my ability
to taste. (Just kiding.)

[Paul]

Post by micky
If your property is put in storage, try to move it into your new home as
soon as you can. After thirty days it can be difficult to recover
property which has been placed in storage."

The materials I've seen outside apartments, it is not
clear what the conditions of removal were. Maybe the
tenant just left, did not renew lease, and left "garbage"
in the unit, which was subsequently left on the street.

Some places, you never see this happen. Other places,
it's happened multiple times.

And the material can sit outside for longer than a month.
I saw one Lazy Boy that was sitting out with snow on it,
all winter. Classic Canadian goodness, a Lazy Boy covered
in snow. Why couldn't they have left a TV set, with
Monday Night football playing on it continuously.
So it would all look authentic.

Paul

[micky]

In comp.periphs.printers, on Mon, 3 Jan 2022 07:29:13 -0500, Paul

Post by Paul

Post by micky
If your property is put in storage, try to move it into your new home as
soon as you can. After thirty days it can be difficult to recover
property which has been placed in storage."

BTW, this is just the first webpage I found that talked about eviction
in NY. Maybe some don't express things so vaguely.

Post by Paul
The materials I've seen outside apartments, it is not
clear what the conditions of removal were. Maybe the

They definitely do what you said in some/many?/most? places after normal
evictions. NY is very pro-tenant, comparitively.

Post by Paul
tenant just left, did not renew lease, and left "garbage"
in the unit, which was subsequently left on the street.
Some places, you never see this happen. Other places,
it's happened multiple times.
And the material can sit outside for longer than a month.
I saw one Lazy Boy that was sitting out with snow on it,
all winter. Classic Canadian goodness, a Lazy Boy covered

You're in Canada? No wonder I can't always understand your posts.

Post by Paul
in snow. Why couldn't they have left a TV set, with
Monday Night football playing on it continuously.

Good question.

Post by Paul
So it would all look authentic.
Paul

Once in Brooklyn NY someone tried to evict me. He seemed to not notice
my most recent rent payment, maybe 40 days earlier, and he skipped the
30 day notice and went straight to the 72 hour notice, which I saw when
I was leaving for work Friday morning. In my fairly typical
irresponsible manner, I drove to work, parked at the Fulton Fish market
and went away from the weekend after work. When I got home monday
evening, I coudlnt' get into my apt. The sheriff had been there and
he'd changed the locks.

I was scared but not as much as I should have been. I went straight
upstairs and asked the girls there if I coudl go out their window, went
down one flight on the fire escape, broke a window and went into my
apartment. Changed the lock to a spare I kept. I learned later that
day that they hadn't taken anything becuase I had more stuff than would
fit in their truck!! Thank goodness for that. And who would have thunk
it? Next day I stayed home until they came again, and they came around
10, woudln't let them in, negotiated with the landlord on the phone, I
don't remember this but I must have pointed out that his eviction was
illegal, and he agreed that I coudl go with his general factotum to the
bank and pay the current rent for which I was 10 days late in cash, and
pay for the sheriff, about 400 dollars. Of course I shouldn't have paid
the 400 but I got it back years later by offering to move if he gave me
1000 dollars. (I had already bought a house in Baltimore! He jumped at
my offer. I was almost sorry I hadn't said 2000, but I really just
wanted the money he owed me.) He also owed me interest on my security
deposit, 300 dollars, for 11 years. He must have had no intention to
pay that, because he never mentioned it, before or after. I rented
from an honest, but racist, woman, but she moved to florida and sold to
him.

[Paul]

[snip]

Post by Paul
And the material can sit outside for longer than a month.
I saw one Lazy Boy that was sitting out with snow on it,
all winter. Classic Canadian goodness, a Lazy Boy covered
in snow. Why couldn't they have left a TV set, with
Monday Night football playing on it continuously.
So it would all look authentic.
    Paul

Here, someone left a TV on the curb. It was a 40-inch rear-projection
TV (one of those with 3 CRTs). It stayed there for over a week before
the trash truck got it.

I'm surprised a trash vehicle would pick that up.

For the city to take something now, you have to gift wrap it
and tie a big red bow around it.

To dispose of a refrigerator now, that would cost you
a hundred bucks. Plus the gift wrap and the bow.

Paul

[micky]

In alt.comp.hardware, on Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:14:38 -0600, Mark Lloyd

[snip]

Post by Paul
And the material can sit outside for longer than a month.
I saw one Lazy Boy that was sitting out with snow on it,
all winter. Classic Canadian goodness, a Lazy Boy covered
in snow. Why couldn't they have left a TV set, with
Monday Night football playing on it continuously.
So it would all look authentic.
   Paul

Here, someone left a TV on the curb. It was a 40-inch rear-projection TV
(one of those with 3 CRTs). It stayed there for over a week before the
trash truck got it.

Well, that's pretty big. I love junk but even I wouldn't want that.

I don't even have a place to put one that big if someone gave me a brand
new one. Thank goodness no one ever did.

And Paul's right. We used to have weekly or monthly free bulk trash
removal here, but they stopped it 20 years ago. So if I have one big
thing, I have to somehow gett it to the dump myself or pay over 100
dollars to a junk man.

Just this month they resumed bulk trash but only 2 times a year and iirc
you have to make an apppointment. So now I have to save the stuff for 6
months but it's still a lot better than it was.

[Bob F]

Post by micky
In alt.comp.hardware, on Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:14:38 -0600, Mark Lloyd

[snip]

Post by Paul
And the material can sit outside for longer than a month.
I saw one Lazy Boy that was sitting out with snow on it,
all winter. Classic Canadian goodness, a Lazy Boy covered
in snow. Why couldn't they have left a TV set, with
Monday Night football playing on it continuously.
So it would all look authentic.
   Paul

Here, someone left a TV on the curb. It was a 40-inch rear-projection TV
(one of those with 3 CRTs). It stayed there for over a week before the
trash truck got it.

Well, that's pretty big. I love junk but even I wouldn't want that.

I would like to get the lens from one of the really big old 4:3
projection TV's. I'd like to experiment with it to solar heat my hottub.
The 4:3 screens focus to more of a spot than the newer wider screen ones.

It is too bad they rest of them is so big. I've seen 2 50" ones posted
"free" for weeks locally on craigslist, but it would take a lot of time
to get rid of the remains of them in my micro garbage can.

[John McGaw]

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:50:16 -0800 (PST), Marilyn

Not a question.
I found on the grass between the sidewalk and the curb, in front of a
house, a printer-copier-scanner-fax.

snip...


I wouldn't put much importance on the time zone. Some users never figure
out how to or care enough to set such things. I have a step-brother who has
been asking me why his Windows XT laptop doesn't seem to work as well as it
used to and why he can't get software to install. I gave up trying to
explain and offered him one of mine -- at least that one has W10 Home on it
and a processor with more than one core.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 3 Jan 2022 15:18:25 -0500, John McGaw

Post by John McGaw

Post by micky
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:50:16 -0800 (PST), Marilyn

Not a question.
I found on the grass between the sidewalk and the curb, in front of a
house, a printer-copier-scanner-fax.

snip...
I wouldn't put much importance on the time zone. Some users never figure
out how to or care enough to set such things.

;-)

Post by John McGaw
I have a step-brother who has
been asking me why his Windows XT laptop doesn't seem to work as well as it
used to and why he can't get software to install.

:-)

Post by John McGaw
I gave up trying to
explain and offered him one of mine -- at least that one has W10 Home on it
and a processor with more than one core.

You're a good step-brother.

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 02 Jan 2022 23:49:25 -0500, micky

Post by micky
Ink jet. It's very nice, HP OfficeJet 4360.
....
Also, I haven't tried but it also lets you print directly from your cell
phone, and probably to scan into your phone. Plus get this, you can
register at HP for an email address for the printer, send an attachment
from anywhere and it will print that. I suspect/hope the PC doesn't
even have to be on if the printer is wifi connected to a router,
although I'll never have any use for this. If you're a traveling
salesman, or someone who travels for business and wants a paper record,
it would be great. Any other uses?
The big problem seems to be the cost of the ink. They are about $37 for
a black and a tri-color. Unlike the Espson and the Brother I have,
which I was surprised to see work fine with cruddy 3rd-party ink, HP is
really insistent on their ink. One of the printer utilities with 6 tabs
includes warnings about ink in 4 of them, encouraging notifying t heir
fraud department if you end up with counterfeit cartridges.
Another tab has a way to keep your cartridges from being used in another
printer. Were people stealing cartridges? But at least you can print
with only one of them if you take out the empty one.
You can buy an ink and syringe set that costs only 18 dollars and they
say is good for 5 or 10 fillings, probably 5 because there was something
about air being left in the cartridge, but that's still 1/10th the
price. However if you let the cartridge get empty, it knows about that
and cancels itself. You have to refill before it gets empty, and even
then I think it threatens you that the level indicators may not work
after that.
But the other problem is that I'm connected to the PC control panel, the
ink level indicator, probably printing, but not for scanning. It won't
scan (and this one has no SD slot in it so it can only scan to the PC,
not to memory). When you even start to scan it says I'm not connected,
and eventually it hints that I should register with HP! I wonder if
this is so they can send you threatening emails if you use bad ink
cartridges. But even registering didn't work yet. I'll see if it
works after restarting the PC and the printer. One of the instructions
for something (not this) was to unplug the printer for a while. (For
this they wanted you to uninstall everything, at 3 places, and reinstall
it all. Maybe later. (and of course I already have a good Brother
all-in-one. )
Another annoyance is their stupid webpages that have one or even two
pop-up boxes that interfere with reading the page, and they show up
every time for every page, even I think if you looked at the tab before
and it reloaded when you came back. I wrote to them last year when I
got an HP computer about how annoying this is but they haven't changed
it. I wrote a firmer message this time.
Also installing the software looked simple, one big .exe to do
everything, but then they came up with something else and I think a
second thing. One was software from MS. It was confusing.

It's still confusing. It didn't work until I restarted windows, which
it did not say to do.

And even though everything works now, I think, hpinkins still says "Your
installation is not complete" and refers me to the CD, which I don't
have, or to Support. It links there but doesn't say or link to whatever
it thinks I should install.

And a box came out on the lower right that said I was no longer
connected to scan, even though I scanned with no trouble a few seconds
later. Of course this software is 12 years old. Maybe they've gotten
rid of these bugs.

OTOH, good things, it displayed the scanned image in miniature and let
me adjust the the brightness and contrast before saving it. I increased
the contrast and it looked much better. The Brother and Epson didn't
have this.

It already had black ink in it that works, but I'm out of color
according to the monitor. I came across an unopened package of NCR
Universal Color Inkjet Refill Kit that someone gave me 10 years ago!!!
I forget who, or maybe I bought it at a hamfest. Yes, I think that's it.
It still has a little label, $5, and initials, that showed who he was
selling it for. It's still liquid and each container is full. I wonder
if it will work? Again, I have almost nothing to lose. Pretty good
packaging, at least. Maybe the ink is good too. (Still for sale, $23
for color, 20 for black, only on ebay, probably as old as mine.)

It says it has 2-sided printing also. I wish I had something that
neeeded printing.

Post by micky
(I had to install on the laptop software for the Brother printer, and
that really was simple.)
This printer may predates win10, but i'm sure that's not the problem.

Right. It works with win10. The manual is copyright 2012. So it's
doing pretty well for 9 years old. It's worth keeping for the scanning
alone.